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December 04, 2007

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I remember when the Japanese banks lied, and kept on lying about non-performing loans in the books. It took years before they came clean. Because of their ownership of huge quantities of stock that the big four were illiquid if not outright insolvent at any given time during the demise of the Nikkei. I wonder how much toxic waste still remains.

I guess my point is that these back-of-the-envelope assessments can be pretty illuminating. My info about the Japanese bank situation, which was accurate over a period of years, came from just such an article in the WSJ sometime in 1997.

If you like please combine my two comments.

After thinking about it a bit I wondered how bad it had to be for the three banks to simply be insolvent e.g. -1b.

Morgan Stanley could receive as high as 41 cents on the dollar, Goldman 47 and Bear Stearns 30.

To me, these numbers are even scarier than the the E*Trade settlement because even at the ABX number Goldman is under water right now and Morgan darned close. Ironically Bear Stearns has a little breathing room.

Yikes.

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