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March 11, 2008

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Great post. No one has every understood the derivatives market and what an unwinding might look like. The problem is the guarenties. Who holds them, who is on the hook for what and what kind of margin calls can be triggered. I still don't see the complete blow up that you are speaking of although the possibility can't be dismissed. Many of these instruments are of good solid quality with an intrinsic value. It will, however, be a wild ride anyway and if the Feds actions of today don't work in a week or two than we'll know to go to the fallout shelter.

how is it possible to have an insurance policy (called a derivative contract) when you cannot even tell who is the counter party to your contract on these over-the-counter derivatives? I believe the majority of these will be proven to be a complete and total scam, once someone trys to collect on the derivative. The majority of counter parties, if the counter party can be located at all, will be found to be insolvent.

$516T is gross notional exposure. To limit exposure, counterparties employ netting agreements ... the $516T is the value of contracts layered (and offsetting) one another...

Additionally, to cancel a derivative, you don't just cancel it (bring notional to 0). You enter into an equal, offsetting derivative (net notional 0, gross notiona x2).

So no, there is not a $516T WMD sitting out there.


oh... an garyalan, of course you know who the counterparties are. Every derivative contract defines that.

There are many rules around OTC derivative trading. It isn't the wild wild west.

For more info, please go here, before all the hysterics:

www.isda.org

There will always be "stupid" economic actors that cause problems by wantonly entering into bad derivatives. The only time it is a real catastrophy for everyone else (and not just profit) is when that bad actor is believed to be a good actor and is hence leveraged to the hilt...

from industrial capitalism we have gone to financial capitalism we no longer invest in industry but invest only in monetary speculation and with it comes all the greed, dishonesty,& corruption ie: our downfall

"The fact is, derivatives have become the world's biggest "black market," exceeding the illicit traffic in stuff like arms, drugs, alcohol, gambling, cigarettes, stolen art and pirated movies. Why? Because like all black markets, derivatives are a perfect way of getting rich while avoiding taxes and government regulations."

Criminals benefiting more criminals. Would any of this have happened if there were no FED and privileged broker-dealers? Naw...

Can someone attempt to define "derivative" in a 100 words or less and preferably using terminolgy that us simpletons can absorb.

Regardless, the whole house is about to come tumbling down upon all of us!

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