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May 20, 2008

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There was time when being in debt was considered stupid there was a time not paying what you owed was considered shameful what we are seeing to day is the result of decades of propaganda by the advertisers that you deserves it that your #1 ,buy now pay latter your worthed.Xmas trees loaded with presents up to the ceiling on and on and on ,any wonder the irresponsibility? i could write volumes on this subject but you get the idea.

Is no-one going to say it? Okay, I will.

"Repo man's always intense."

A 46-year-old with a 401(k) worth $9,000.00 ... I should feel better about being a 43-year-old with a 403(b) worth $84,000.00, but for some reason, I don't. How do you recover from this sort of loss in time for retirement (that is, retirement before 85)?

PDamian -- simple -- you DON'T retire until you're 85. Or rather, you double-dip: retire from your full-time job at 70 with half a rebuilt nest egg, and then work odd jobs part time to make up the shortfall. My landlord has got to be pushing 80 -- but he still putters down to fix the toilet, and our rent is a tidy boost to his social security. Better yet, there is an elderly retired couple in my town that started a dog walking business, in which they walk dogs for anybody in their neighborhood that goes on vacation. They can make 30 dollars an hour just puttering slowly around the block with happy yappy lapdogs in tow.

Roger, maybe you SHOULD write volumes about the subject. We're not judged by how much money we have in the bank, but by how much expensive junk we have, and how many expensive presents we give out.

It is a sad state of affairs when us eternal optimists meet stark reality. I mean, "I knew everything would work out just fine...right? I only wanted to enjoy life now while I could. By the time I'm 85 (provided I even reach it!), how much energy & well-being will I have to indulge in sailing, globetrotting or scuba diving. (Now all I have to look forward to is walking someone elses dog!)" Again, moderation is the key. As for ourselves, we are moderately up to our eyeballs in debt; now exactly where is that confounded bull market!?!?!

PS I'm playing a giant put against the Dow w/ my 457 plan. It's a crap shoot, but it's worth the risk to me! -Chuck

>How do you recover from this sort of loss in time for retirement
PDamian, I'm in somewhat similar situation, but I lost my house and cars several years ago, when I was out of work for a very long time (total about 21 months between 2001, 2003 and 2004). Until I was about 38, I didn't work for any place that had a 401k (I did in my early 20s, but my ex spent that). I'm 47, and I'm socking away the max I can in both 401k ($15.5k) and IRA ($5k), so that means about 30% of my pre-tax income goes to retirement savings. I've gone from about $10k in 2003 to about $60k this year. Some is due to investing in international funds, but the vast majority is that everything goes in that *can* go in. Now, if I can maintain fully funding my retirement savings, and assuming I can put in the "catch up" money the year I ding 50, then I guess I can have close to a megabuck by 67 (presuming 5% - which is the most pessimistic projection that I track).

>His 401(k) is down to $9,000.
I don't know if Mr. Dahmen can turn his act around. Based on the above sentence, it meant he was drawing down his 401k. Never ever do that. Neither 401ks nor IRAs can be tapped by bankruptcy courts or judgements. I let my family talk me out of filing for bankruptcy in 2001, and I never had enough to file for it before the so-called BK reform went into effect. Now, the rules are so rediculous that it is effectively no BK at all.

This was a good article. However the subsequent posts were not about a bull market. Why not focus on what an investor can do to benefit from this repo. bull market.

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