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October 31, 2008

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Average salary of $121,000 for a police officer?!? Including benefits the figure rises to $190,000!?!

They can retire after 30 years and collect a pension of 90% of their final years' salary? This would obviously be greater than the average of $121,000 - is it closer to $150,000 and thus provide a pension of $135,000?!?

I think that the greater "problem" is the runaway personnel costs for school districts and municipalities. This isn't just a California problem, but a national one.

PRIOR to this economic "slowdown" states and municipalities were being extremely challenged to meet the pension and health care promises made during the boom years.

Guess what, market declines and tax shortfalls are leading to "Pension Armageddon!"

Sadly, add this worry to everything else.

I agree with Michael. The policemen et al leeched off the public capital flows. They behaved like the "locusts" (i-banks/hedge funds). Shed no tear for them. Still, the communities are going to suffer.

Michael, the pension situation is worse than you think. The pension benefits are typically based on the last 2-3 years of paychecks. It is accepted practice among cops to 'juice' their pensions by putting in massive overtime during those last two years. That overtime could earned on anything from patrolling the local donut shops to manning barricades on I95. Yeah, that's totally worth $200K+ a year for the rest of your life starting in your 40's.

Anyway, it doesn't matter, the pigs in the public sector gorged themselves too much and the states/local governments will default on all this debt. The only way out is massive asset inflation. Prepare accordingly.

How much police work is just a backhanded way of maintaining the high profits of the unregulated recreational drug industry? Or providing human fodder for the prison/corrections industry?
End the War on Drug Users, things would cost a lot less. And the streets would be safer.

How many police officers per capita did the Native American tribes have at the time of contact with Europeans? What was their crime rate? Jus wunderin'.

Shows why people complain about taxes that keep going up and we don't get anything for it.

I think the private sector has handled the problem of rising wages differently. THey have reduced hours, benefits, pensions, made contract workers of more people, and outsourced. So pulic trys to be fair by keeping it all going and the prviate lives within it's means, except fo executive compensation.

A few comments:
How many of these police and fire personnel voted Republican? Yep. That's right.

How many of these police recruits that signed on for an HUGELY overpaid position in Vallejo, were trained as cops in the military? The military dropping entry standards? Into a job, that has been shown to not take the HIGHEST scoring applicants in the written tests? (That's right, you can score "too high" to qualify for police work, fact). But let's be sure to pay the ones that do "qualify" 4 or 5 times what they are worth. And give them a gun.

How many cities 9and their easily frightened citizens) bought into the false flag attacks by domestic terrorists on 9/11/01? I suppose they think WTC 7 fell out of sympathy with the Towers? Let the fools suffer for their naive stupidity. They deserve it for being so gullible.

Ever have a home broke into? Car stolen? Get any satisfaction from your police force? Bwahahahaha, sure.

$190,000/year....to chase kids and lower-income Americans selling substances the public is willing to pay for and risk arrest? That would describe Vallejo, for those not familiar with that city.

Who is the largest jailer in the world? Why, it is the good ol' US of A? WHY? Because we imprison people for using, or selling substances REGARDLESS of whether there was EVEN A VICTIM. Substances our grandmothers and grandfathers (us baby boomers, that is) could pick up legally without prescription. Talk about "traditional values", bah.

Which led to PRISON GUARDS being the most POWERFUL LOBBY in California. That's right, not teachers, not doctors or lawyers, PRISON GUARDS. Says it all. Screw'em, they voted for what they are reaping. I say cut police forces by 50% across the US, and legalize. Then lay off another 10%. All the while, cutting the DOD budget by 75%.

I cry no tears for these cops: "Privatize" that. You see them out knocking heads of those pointing out the folly of off-shoring our manufacturing base through SHIT like NAFTA, now we are supposed to give a rat's ass about them?? PLEASE. SCREW THEM.

I say they should make no more than a waitress, or school bus driver, and they should DAMN sure not collect "pensions" until they reach age 62.

Legalize, decriminalize, whatever you wish to label it, but THAT ALONE will bring the budget into the black in most cases.

Then cut the police forces accordingly, starting with the ones that like dressing up in their old military outfits, and kick doors in for smoking a joint, then go get drunk at some bar.

This is great news. Financial recoil is the only natural corrective to the Bush-era trend toward a militarized police state in which every cop imagines himself a homeland security hero.

"We did a bad job of long-term forecasting," said Craig Whittom, Vallejo's assistant city manager. "We made agreements that were beyond our means."

This is true for most of the country's cities and states. To this point in my 62 years, I have never heard of a city or state standing up to police, fire, teacher, state worker unions etc. I have constanly thought " How long can this goes on?" To which, I have no response.
I agree with RK --- private sector has handled this better (maybe because they're not trying to get elected)
I also agree "Pension Armageddon!" is coming. What form it takes, remains to be seen.

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