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Complicated phraseology esoteric explanations usually hide
incompetence & explain nada nothing, if it can not be explained
in plain language its not worth reading,economist like politicians
excel in this art of obfuscation

Why?

Because of derivatives and swaps. Complicated incomprehensible derivatives. Of gargantuan financial proportions. Unregulated, hidden, no transparency. Spin into a massive web of relationships. Distributing the risks, liabilities and economic consequences to every corner of the world. They have built a class 1 cancer, a financial AIDS epidemic, a WMD, and they have no comprehension, no models, no calculation, and no control.

There is only one thing to do: let the financial WMD spread and blow up everything along the way. Then pick up the pieces and start all over. Let every country sign a new UN treaty banning all derivatives and swaps.

What an incredible article. The scientific approach to economics makes sense to me. The fools running the
ship of state have abandoned their integrity and checked honesty at the cloak room. If this ship makes it
to shore I will be amazed. Bail outs anyone?

As a scientist myself (Molecular Biologist) I especially like the scientific method applied to economic thought. Great post. Have great Thanksgiving!

The answers are in Minsky. Most know him for his "Financial Instability Hypothesis". However, that is just one part of his overall framework. Minsky proposed an entirely different way of looking at "production". In Neoclassical production theory, production is simply an exchange process - the exchange of inputs (labor, capital) for outputs (consumption goods) according to a specified technology. What's missing? Oh, just a few minor things like time, uncertainty, financing, etc. In Minsky's framework, capital investment is necessarily prior to the production of output and financing is necessarily prior to capital investment. A car manufacturer can't begin producing hybrid cars until it has built the plant and equipment to do so, and it can't build the plant and equipment until it has secured the necessary financing to do so, for example. Whether it will secure that financing depends upon BOTH 1) the carmaker's beliefs regarding whether the future cash flows it can generate will cover the debt service and still provide sufficient gross profit as surplus and 2) the financier's (e.g., banker's) beliefs regarding those same cash flows and whether they can enable the loan to be repaid. Both decisions are made under conditions of Knightian uncertainty. If the bet pays off, then their beliefs are validated, more debt is undertaken to provide for more capital investment, and so on and so forth until the payoffs do not cover the debt burden, and then the system reverses course (though the debts still exist and must somehow be serviced). This is just a skeletal view - Minsky weaves in asset markets and their pricing, liquidity preferences, capital accumulation, and labor markets into the grand framework.

Reading Minsky's three main books, one can't help but wonder a few things - how did the economics profession spend more than a decade wringing their hands over New Keynesian rigidities involving sticky wages and prices but completely miss the rigidity inherent in fixed debt payments and how much better off would the profession be had Samuelson's Foundations of Economic Analysis and Arrow/Debreu's Theory of Value never been published. Generations of bright economists wasting (and I do mean wasting) their time on "proving" the existence of unique and stable equilibria in GE systems.

A scientific aproach to econonomics huh ? Well, why not start with 'what is economics' and lets say that economics is the process of ppl trading their labor for things that they need or want and then lets be scienticificly efficient about the best and most efficient ways for the laborers to accomplish those things and then lets ponder how all the traders , speculators , gamblers and profit-taking lazy bastards fit into such scientific models, and thus one begins to see why the aforementioned persons might prefer faith and confidence to science and rationality.

In real time a business buys equipment costing $8 million dollars that represents the latest technology and saves labor. Problem is so does his competitors and soon all are hiring more sales people and spending additional on advertising to try and create the necessary volume to maintain the business. Now the debt necessary to buy the equipment is spread out over 10 years but the equipment really has a 36 to 60 month life span given the introduction of faster,more efficient equipment into the marketplace. The debt doesn't go away it is rolled into the cost of new equipment and so on it goes. Finally the business cycle breaks down completely since enough volume cannot be generated to keep the machines active enough to cover the business overhead.
Our crisis goes deeper then simple credit availability or what economic theory most economist happen to believe. We live in a ever expanding machine age which will soon wipe out the so called low wage manufacturing emerging countries and put additional strain on direct labor in the advance economies.
Our machines create products at rates that consumers can no longer absorb at a ever expanding rate. Cheap available credit has been the driver necessary to generate the sales velocity necessary to keep the factories operating, we need to understand that this is not sustainable.

Destined to Fail: Money, this exchange value as no solid basis,
it is manipulated to the extreme. You have to be a fool to think
it can be controlled and analyzed by a scientific method
To navigate the Oceans you need a grid & a compass to navigate
a solid method based on on "material realty" not some abstract
crackpot ideological theory.

sorry: read REALITY

Well you use far too many strawmen about economics to warrant a comprehensive response, but let me point out that many economists, including myself, find Keynesian solutions ludicrous for our current situation. Keynesian solutions are favored by the political class and big government advocates because they result in even more centralized power and even bigger government. Milton Friedman basically tore apart Keynesian theory several decades ago.

As for the California electric deregulation fiasco, I had a front row seat since I worked in one of the regulatory agencies. It was not economics that failed but government. The market was designed by the political class and did not allow a fully functional market. For example, retail customers had their electric rates frozen and were not able to respond to the drastic changes in the underlying wholesale rates. This is not economics or markets discredited, this just simply demonstrates the idiocies of the ruling class.

I think our current economic crisis is the result of government failure as well, not market failure. Besides, what are you going to replace current economic theory with? Socialism??? We're doing that here in California and I'm predicting that this state will go bankrupt sometime next year as a result.

So this is my response to two of your strawmen. Maybe others can pick apart the rest. I don't have the time to undertake such a large task.

Something everyone must view: the inside bank accounts of every country in the WORLD. Bangladesh has more money than the USA! http://www.thecomingdepression.blogspot.com HAPPY THANKSGIVING USA

My models are better than your models. He's talking his book.

You need to model the deception and corruption that keeps 'regulators' from preventing the deception and corruption. Building that model will reveal that this crisis is an intentional neocon global financial coup perpetrated against foreign and domestic populations that will result in consolidated power and a ruler and ruled, no middle class world.
Its Henry Kissinger's National Security Study Memorandum 200 (NSSM200)on roids.

Late last night i was in the kitchen, wrapping up leftovers. I noticed the empty pumpkin pie aluminum pie pan with a few crumbs. Absentmindedly, i picked it up and turned it, upside-down, over the mincemeat pie, for a trial fit, then I noticed the pumpkin pie was noticeably smaller, this year, than last, about 1/6-1/8th smaller than the mincemeat pie.

Mace,

You shouldn't be accusing anyone of strawman arguments if you're going to follow up with drivel.

Keynsian economics are wrong because I and Friedman disagree? Appeal to authority. Of course if you'd read carefully you would have seen that Bittrolff was discrediting Keynsian theory as well. You're both wrong. Under Keynsian theory govt spending goes down to create surpluses during good times to wipe out any debt incurred during the bad (or better still to build reserves.) Given the rampant spending during the good times it is clear that Keynsian theory is not being practiced. The recent stupidity should not be attributed to Keynsian theory.

The Californian electric fiasco. Deregulation failed and the govt stepped in making it worse. It's still an example of deregulation and the market failing. Ever here of Enron? Your front row seat let you see one detail but miss others.

And you think that the current crisis is a govt failure. The central bank that kept interest rates too low is not a govt institution. Did the govt mandate lending institutions to leverage themselves to obscene levels? The govt failed to regulate business, but the first failure was the market's.

And I can't see anything above that makes me think Panzer, Bittrolff or Buchanan is advocating Socialism. Why are you projecting that opinion on them? Why would you even think that discrediting one economic theory requires switching to Socialism? How about switching from one economic theory to another. Say an economic theory that allows for irrationality and excess leverage.

If you have any more drivel, I've got the time to discredit it.

They can model forever but it will not change a thing. The damage has already been done. The paper-debt-trade will cease to exist, very soon, and all eCONomist will go the way of the do-do bird.

ron you make a very good point.
Mace;Milton Friedman was a wash out,Socialism in CA, you got
to be kidding!

Any global economic model that is dependent on one nation, the U.S., maintaining a never-ending enormous trade deficit is doomed to failure from the outset.

Pete Murphy
Author, "Five Short Blasts"

Of course the Keynsian model, like most models is deterministic. Given an initial set of conditions, using concrete principles assumed for each participant, the model can be played forward to its natural end. Though I don't support such models, I would think a Keynsian would argue that a participants decisions are to averaged out? Of course you may occasionally do jello shots, but the likelihood is your bonding with your friends will provide future support in times of strife (such as when you're fired for not getting to work on time the next morning).

I can't believe the theory is so naked as to assume no potential for random events. Such as irrational behavior.

. . . what is all this "socialism" talk. If any one of the commentators has genuine "socialism" experience, their comments would reflect it.
Up to now all I see is foam at the mouth.
Russian socialism and British socialsm are different. Would it be reasonable to expect American socialism. If so, what is it like ? Is it like a "Black Friday" shopping mall rush ?

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