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Why is WorldNetDaily sounding the alarm now? I bet the very same people were ridiculing Al Gore's "lock box" idea back in 2000. Not so ridiculous now, huh?

One of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the American public was Social Security reform passed back in 1983 or 1986. Reagan and the Democratic Congress raised SS taxes but permitted the annual surplus collected to be dumped into the general revenue fund. Sure would be nice to have about $3T sitting in a lock box now, huh?

By the way, Jerome Corsi is a big steaming pile of bull shit. If his name is associated with this article, then it contains total crap.

Speaking of only one side of the cash flow balance is just incredibly stupid. Equally we could look at a private business and say "OMG, they are liable for trillions in wages in the foreseeable future!". Of course they are.

There is some mischief in the budget deficit figures that are usually presented. Leaving the Social Security Trust Fund surplus out of the budget deficit calculations is an outright lie. But it is a problem for the general fund, not for the SSTF.

Saying that there is no fund just doesn't make sense. If there was no SSTF—and no FICA taxes that are paid into it—the government would have to borrow from someone else. The SSTF surplus is a very real part of the budget deficit for the general fund.

Actually, there is no problem with our Medicare and Social Security commitments. At some point when they can't be sustained at present levels, they WILL be cut back. Cutbacks will be driven by politicians responding to or realizing an imminent revolt of younger people against the staggering load that the boomers have laid upon them.

There will be a tipping point where most young people and enough of the boomers realize that by clinging to their "entitlements" they are destroying the country (kind of like Unions or AARP that won't back down until bankruptcy). There will be populist politicians who emerge to give voice to the rage of the young.

It's not the fault of the boomers, mind you, it's that the significant extension in lifespan along with declining birthrate have exposed the systemic flaws in the system's assumptions.

The acceleration of the economic collapse will cause many things to come to a head. Grover Norquist's roadmap to the end of the USA (as we know it now) will be followed simply due to the inertia of human behavior. When Foreign Central Banks stop buying T-Bills, the music will stop. When that happens, who knows what the USA will look like? I don't think "Mad Max", but poorer, desperate, confused, humbled, do come to mind.

Isn't the GDP calculation skewed? If the US GDP is 70% retail sales then 70 percent of the GDP is not a product it is a service.
When you compare the relative percentages of debt to (actual product) GDP the numbers are scary.
Using retail sales is just a derivative number (ignoring the current 'wisdom') to inflate the GDP. We cannot sell the retail service. We shouldn't count it is GDP.

The more I read various viewpoints regarding the
state of the economy, the more realistic the Bible
prophecies seem to point to the enevitable outcome.
There will be a time when a day's wages will earm a
loaf of bread; we will have a universal, global system
that will reguire a registered number (666) to buy
or sell; the system will affect the rich as well as the
poor; gold and silver will save nobody. A supernatural
dictatorship will be imposed upon the world and failure
to pay homage to the dictator, will result in death.
Anyone who goes along with this last ditch effort and
takes the number, will automoatically forfeit their
place in Heaven. It does not sound so far off base
the more I read and the more I observe and the more
I think. It is said that the last holdouts are the
North Koreans; and they brutally persecute a Christian
Church that some say will shake the world with truth
when they are free to speak openly.The one thing the
underground North Korean church is not afraid of, it
is said, is death, suffering and starvation. Time
will tell who was right about what.
The real question is: Is time running out?

This article is chalk-full of propaganda designed to fuel the resignation of the American peasantry-to-be that to continue to have hope in social safety nets is childish, if not foolish, thinking. Hopefully, most readers will feel more insulted than fearful after reading.

Marion,

I too think this financial crisis is predicted in prophecy. Read James Chapter 5, and Revelation 18. When you study those scriptures in depth, it paints a startling portrait to the situation the world is in today. NOTHING can stop the inevitable. The time has come for the destruction of all fiat based monetary systems.

Scary times indeed.

Jerome Corsi? The same Swiftboat D-Bag of Truth Jerome Corsi?

Since when does this guy have even one once of credibility? Indeed, since when does WorldNUTDaily have any credibility?

Consider the source here, please.

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WorldNetDaily.... why in gods name are you quoting anything from that cesspool? And from the worthless tool Corsi pushing lies and disinformation about Social Security no less. I mean WTF?

Anyone who can think rationally about the subject knows that SS's commitment is limited to some (subject to change) share of the future GNP. I understand why Corsi patrons are freaked out,

a) The flow of social security money doesn't flow through their hands and thus they can't strip of their usual 10-20%. This understandably drives them crazy.

b) Having fleeced the baby boom via the social security surplus these last thirty years they are unhappy with the prospect of the cash flow reversing.

Why you, me and anyone else reading this blog should care about a+b is beyond me. I mean their tax cuts were funded by raiding SS, when that is gone, presumably they will be required to pay back in though higher taxes. Excuse me, I'm feeling a boo hoo hoo coming on.

Mr. Panzner, I also echo the previous comments.

Jerome Corsi is a known liar. He has zero credibility. Please don't waste any more time citing trash like World Nut Daily and our Mr. Corsi. Thanks.

It seems that neither Mr. Corsi or Mr. Williams is responsible for the estimate regarding the true deficit. The estimate comes out of a report issued by the Department of the Treasury. If this is the case, then all these two individuals are doing is reporting the news. In this is true you can't kill the messenger for that.

If anyone deserves to go to jail, besides all those already mentioned, its all members of Congress past and present who voted for these budgets abd submitted them to the various Presidents for approval.

Considering that the majority of our tax money goes toward military expenditures, it would seem obvious that the military budget could be cut, thus freeing up more than enough funds for social security. But of course, that is not what the likes of Mr. Corsi want you to focus on.

If anyone deserves to go to jail, besides all those already mentioned, its all members of Congress past and present who voted for these budgets abd submitted them to the various Presidents for approval.

One thing I learned in the eighties, the executive branch branch draws up the budget, congress then does a bunch of budgetary WWF moves and then passes the sucker pretty much unchanged. In particular, without fail the total size of the budget as passed is almost the same as proposed. You can argue all you want about whether things should be done that way, but it's the way it is. Meaning if there is going to be a responsible budget passed, the president has to propose one.

So when can we start calling it Depression 2.0?

http://depression20.ning.com
(world's first social network based on the next coming great depression)

I just noticed that much of what's posted here surrounds books that tout the serious condition of our financial systems and yet these books are being sold in USD. Now, I'll admit that I haven't looked at every comment, I was brought here by a link from www.forexfactory.com, but, what I wondered was, if the writer of the Big Numbers article is even half correct, then, why would anyone be selling a book or anything else for money?

Shouldn't these items be made available on a barter system since money isn't going to be worth anything soon and the only things of value will be food, clothing and shelter? Just a thought.

My comment isn't intended to urk or upset, it was just a passing thought because the argument made in the article makes it quite clear that a) the USD is worthless but the world doesn't know it yet and b) once the world wakes up and realizes "a)", then all other currencies will be equal to it.

Have a nice day.

I'm not discounting that there are real problems for Social Security (not of it's own making), but if you are going to say that SS expenditures will exceed revenues by $40 trillion over 75 years, you should also mention US GDP should be somewhere on the order of $1.2 quadrillion over the same 75 years (assuming the US lasts that long, in which case we don't need to worry about SS either).

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