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February 22, 2009

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Let's get real. This is a capitalist society where winner takes all.

It's in effect a lottery.

The possibility of becoming king Midas is open to you, but this in turn means you might also be working till death.

That's the finality of it all. Nothing will change short of violent revolutions.

You guys at AB are whiners. You have no balls to effect real change. You will type type type till death...whine...whine...whine.. while Ken Lewist and friends walk away with your life savings.


With the exception of the last person noted, I believe that all of the examples of elderly unemployed had children - many had more than five.

Of course I have sympathy and compassion for these individuals, their predicament AND their desire to work, but why, does this "problem" even exist? Are ALL of their children so cold-hearted and/or destitute that they won't provide assistance to their mother or father?

We have government deficits now annually measured in the trillions of dollars. I am a baby boomer and I have children - why are we passing on this legacy to my teenage children? Have we so broken down as a society that "family" means nothing and "society" is expected to support everyone?

WE are "society" and we'll go bankrupt as a nation if this is the path that we continue to trod.

I agree with Michael. Unless the six
sons of Dorothy Adams are cripples, drug addicts,
homeless, or in jail, they need to get with a plan: their mother.

This sorta mal-treatment of our fellow americans isnt anything new . I think it is gonna get more obvious though , as late stage capitalism gets worse and the strong overtake the weak for more crumbs for themselves .
But hasnt our social system always been a continuos, ugly, predatory clusterfunk ?
I mean , it began as genocide of the natives and stealing their homeland .
Things were good for us (the new americans ) then ,for a while , as good as things could have been given the lack of modern comforts and such .... but the air was clean , the bounty of the earth was abundant , the soil was rich , the rivers , wild and rich and beautifully unimpeded, we were very free , the land itself was
often free ! What more could ya want ?
Unless you were a slave of course .But we like to forget that it was slavery that did so much of the work that built up our greatness ... so much more comfy to blame our prosperity upon our own virtues.
To me, the slaveries and genocides of that early american era just disentegrate any claims to social virtue .
And so , soon ya come to the civil war era , where murder, mayhem , and destruction
firmly put to rest any possible illusions of social virtues .
Followed by the industrial revolution ...... here, I visualise , sweatshops , child labor , mine wars , pinkerton thugs , WW1,....... Ahhh , the roaring 20's ( that musta been fun ) but , watch out , cus here comes the DEPRESSION and WW2 of course .
I'm still not seeing the social virtousity we remember so fondly, so vaguely , but it does seem that there were some calmer days in the post WW2 decade , I mean ,we had a lot of economic opportunity to help rebuild the European ruins (destruction is good for capitalist societies economically ), puts people to work . We had little competition from europe as we pillaged the third world .

But that didnt last forever , and Vietnam came and Martin Luther King and war
protestors ...enraged our ire at bringing our lack of virtue to light once again so clearly , so we killed them when we could .
So long with so little virtue to call our own , we gave up , we Reaganised the WorldView
of the everyday Joe and Jane and soon greed was good and debt was freedom and
the biggest bestest bomb became the collective goal .
We mortgaged our virtues to feed our demons .
I dunno , It just seems inappropriate to expect any sort of social virtue in America from the past or the present .
In the future , maybe ? I doubt it , cus we only favor social virtues when we need them and thats when we are at our weakest. Catch 22 .
Sort of . I guess.

Will we choose a society for the people or a military empire for the rich and powerful? If we choose the military empire, then live as long as you can work and produce and die off in short order because there is little to recommend old age.

There will undoubtedly be more yelping about social security and medicare recipients as this meltdown worsens. These safety nets provide a decent society for its members...if we care to have a decent society.

My take: Complain about the 800 military bases around the globe that this empire maintains. This govt could provide for its citizens if it gave up the constant warring against other nations. We will need to make choices - are we for our own citizens or the ambitions of the powerful elites? Social security and medicare are not the problem. Indecent govt by the elites is the problem. So to anyone who does not get it: Stop blaming the victims because we are all victims of a corrupt system.

It is beginning to get ugly out there. Reference the near (or actual) riots at the Florida Housing Authority that was seen on CNN today. Seems there were about 2000 available spots on the waiting list for section 8 housing, and over 5000 showed up to get them. Not housing, mind you, but just being on the waiting list. People came 24 hours or more in advance of the 7:00 am advertising opening time. Police had to be called in, etc. Sadly, this kind of behavior will only cause the lessening of available HUD/Sect 8 housing. More and more of us, already fed up with excessive paper work, and property damage, have considered stopping accepting government subsidized rents. Our company, a few months back, decided to rehab some of our apartments that were HUD eligible, and convert them to Market Rate only units. We have had much more success and a better bottom line with those. The incentitive used to be to accept HUD/Sect 8's and have a wider market for rental prospects, thus having less vacancies. What happens is that your costs and frustrations go much higher with those type rentals. I was, and still am, all for being sensitive to the needs of folks who must have subsidized housing--and I will continue to keep one complex available for the Sect 515 EHC (Elderly and Handicapped). Additionally, it is hard to keep site managers at HUD/8 properties longer than 2 or 3 months. There are just too many domestic disturbances, drugs, thugs and property damages to make it worthwhile for the owners, or to interest a person or couple in being the on site managers. In my opinion, government subsidized housing is a great benefit for someone needing it. In most cases the tenant pays only 30 percent of their adjusted gross monthly income as rent, and in some cases even a utility allowance is available. There is also such a thing as a "zero income" tenant!!! I have had a tenant that after considering the utility allowance, we PAID the tenant 46.00 a month to live in the apartment!!! (or the goverment did anyway). This particular tenant had to be evicted, after nearly destroying the apartment in less than 8 months time. It is really sad.

Oh stop the whining. This problem can be easily resolved. They even made a movie about it. I think it takes places about 17 yrs from now, when we will be hit by the highest level of the biggest dipsh*t generation there ever was - the so called "arrogant baby - it's all mine give it to me -boomers. Highly recommend check out you tube George Carlin's boomer rant.

So as a victim of these parasitic Leona Hemsley wanna bees, I demand that our corrupted bad haircut political sluts pass the "Anti-parasitical society preserving rescue & food act." To be for ever known as "The Soylent Green Law". It will force feed the surviving Boomers earlier vintage comrades.

"But Marcie Pitt-Catsouphes, director of the Sloan Center on Aging and Work at Boston College, cites lingering stereotypes that older workers are more expensive, less productive and resistant to change." and then the story goes on to tell the stories of older workers who can't hear, can't stand, can't climb stairs, can't do anything but stand at a registar for short amounts of time... As a health care worker I have to say from my experience the elderly aren't more healthy now than they were in the past, they are just living longer due to the extreme intervention of the medical field.
I also do not understand why their families are not working harder to keep them afloat. What ever happened to having mom and dad move in with you? Is it the kids who won't take them in or the parent's who are still trying to be so damn independent that they refuse? Why is our society so hell bent on keeping family at an arms length?

I agree with Kill boomers today. The obvious solution that no politician is brave enough to address is to turn the elderly into food products. What better use than turning the non-productive into raw materials for the productive. We could also tan their leathery old hides for clothing and shelter.

Is that wrong to say? Tough times deserve tough measures.

For years, decades even, America kicked asses all over the world proclaiming the absolute superiority of America economic system. One that produced endless innovations to save the world. One that created the highest standard of living in history. Land of freedom and opportunity. But land where if you failed you're on your own. Land where maximum success is worshiped. And land rich enough to fund $550B per year on the world's biggest military machine. To protect the world.

So what's the problem?

There is a lot of cynicism in these remarks. But the
fact that the Indians got screwed; the slaves got
enslaved; the wealthy ripped off the poor; the military
industrial complex thrives on wars and at worst we could
kill off the elderly for pragmatic aims, does not
excuse the six sons of a 90 year old woman from giving
her relief before she dies; which she will; just like
the rest of us in due time.

Not all retirees are hurting. If you recently retired from the Vallejo, CA fire department with 30 years of service and were at least 50 years of age, you'd be getting 90% of your final year's salary and retiree medical benefits. Of course, the city is now in bankruptcy proceedings, and it will be interesting to see how this all plays out. In the meantime, I'd stay way from Vallejo and other high crime parts of the US.

farang is a dead middle baby boomer: 1955. I have this to say:

Kudos to the local law firm that organized a benefit to assist a disabled person wanting to work.

Razzies to those cold- hearted Americans blaming the lower-income workers for all this criminal "bailout" activity under Bush, continuing under Obama.

But I would not have organized a "benefit", I would have held a raffle:

$10 to enter, the winner gets to use Ms Appleby's cane to beat the snot out of Rick Santelli, on primetime CNBC broadcasting hour.

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