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Well we need higher taxes, because we need better infrastructure, universal access to education, and universal health care.

With better infrastructure, especially a robust inter and intra city rail system, we could not only eliminate the need for a second car for your average middle class family (and their pocket book), but when combined with targeted density, you have less spawl and therefore less need to spend more $ building and maintaining every new mile of water, sewer, electricity, hospital service, fire service, police service, schools, etc.

With universal education, whether that be college or a trade school, you greatly enhance the value of the workforce and the national economy (not to mention millions of households would be able to re-direct money from student loan payments to big-ticket purchases, fueling the economy).

And of course universal healthcare is not only socially just, but will keep people out bankruptcy and lower the cost of employment.

So please, bring on the taxes. Don't wait another second. And make better use of what government already spends: way too much gets burned away through needless tax credits (just mandate they do it, only give a credit when it is economically justifiable) and other multi-billion dollar payoffs to business.


Case in point: you mentioned Washington State, where there was "a rare victory for anti-tax forces". Give me a break. We have a double-decker bridge being held together by clamps, and a bridge whose columns are slowly disintegrating from the inside. We need money for that. We have a budding rail system that is creeping forward on a snail's pace, because it relies soley on sales taxes and miniscule (historically) handouts from the federal government (even as China, Japan, and Europe sink tens of billions into massive rail projects). We have a state ferry system that is living on borrowed time.

The last thing we need up here is a tax revolt. We had that, year in and year out, all through the '90s. It devastated things...set us back decades. And still people whine. We don't even have an income tax (which is exactly why we do have a B&O tax, and probably why our sales tax is fairly high).

I want more government, and I want better government, and I'm willing to pay more taxes for it. And if we did that, and if we used it to build a society around a strong middle class, than the current economic situation wouldn't be as tenuous.

Zach, dude you are killing me, you are so full of crap. If you want to live France or Georgia, planes are flying there everyday. Adios and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

you shoulda done an april fools, like economy fine, I found out I was totally wrong. too bad...

Zach, I used to be a big Democrat till I realized it doesn't matter how much the government gets it will never ever be enough. There is more than enough money collected to do all the things a responsible government should be doing.

I have finally come to the conclusion a few years back that the only way to fix any of this is to have the whole system collaspe and start new. I have many friends that work in health care and believe me the only way to fix it is to let the thing collapse on itself.

Zach said:We have a budding rail system that is creeping forward on a snail's pace, because it relies soley on sales taxes and miniscule (historically) handouts from the federal government

Hey Zach, Why am I paying for your fucking rail system. And why do you think your bridges are in the shape that they are in? Probably because your wonderful government low balled the first job or took a payout from their buddies. Please take the first ship out to France.

I agree about the need for taxes to maintain civilization. My problem is the way the money is spent, often wastefully or corruptly (surely some examples come to mind).

But the greatest outrage I feel is over the gargantuan waste of 8 years' spending on 2 gratuitous, pointless wars, and the bottomless pit called "rebuilding" Iraq & Afgan. Which has amounted to rebuilding over and over and over again as the ungrateful natives burn, steal and blow up everything.

Hello? Let's GET OUT, GO HOME, and start rebuilding here, without the extra costs of shell shocked and damaged vets.

jogleaso, not all of us as fortunate as you to live out yonder behind the feedlot, next to the manure spreader and kittycorner to the rendering plant.

Oh, and a good bath will get rid of the hog smell dontcha know.

I am surprised anyone is ___ enough to blame one party or the other for the deficit. Both parties are happy to spend whatever they can borrow, the difference is how it is spent. Hoever, Obama is maintaing the same bailout of big banks started by Bush. Americans are not willing to do what it takes to hold politicians responsible, and that is true of most people everywhere.

Amazing how many people have not read or respect the 1st. Amendment. Seems like there is quiet a few little Neo Nazy walking around or maybe they are just brainless little twits

Someone asked "why should I pay for your rail system?". Assuming this person lives outside of the Puget Sound area, and is obliquely referring to revenue sharing at the federal level, my response would be this:

In any rail project planned for a metro area, there is a certain economic benefit expected upon completion (for example: targeted upzoning around a rail station attracts new business and residential units to an area, and increases the # of customers to existing local businesses), and there is an economic cost to the impact area during the construction phase (as existing customers are driven away by road closures, re-routes, slow-downs, etc.). If the federal government contributes a low share of the project cost because of an ideological predisposition against government, then the project likely takes longer, which means that to local businesses, the cost was higher and the benefits lower (or at least delayed).

Moreover, in the absence of federal funding, the local taxation district would either have to raise local taxes higher (with higher local impacts), or they would have to borrow more, which means a large portion of the project cost goes to financing costs, i.e, to a bank instead of to local residents and the businesses they own and patronage.

Lastly, rail and other infrastructure projects are rarely funded by the private sector, but rely on a robust, consistent, reliable revenue stream from the public sector. Once that funding is put in place for a project, than a whole industry ecosystem emerges, as companies respond to the need for rail, rail cars, rail equipment, tunneling, bridges, etc. etc. If that funding remains robust across projects and regions, then you have a vibrant industry that produces jobs all along its supply chain. If you remove that funding, or make it ad-hoc, then that industry has to constantly revive itself, and never has a chance to achieve efficiencies or innovation. Every learning curve requires some amount of time. In essence, the less money we spend, the more expensive these projects become.

Zach,

Your explanation doesn't directly answer the question. What you said applies to countless things in an out of government everywhere. I would like to see an abundant industry grow up around chess and hot yoga. The issues are more along the lines of why should taxpayers throughout the US or in one state support one thing as opposed to another? There are, after all, unlimited wants or needs.

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