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Panzner is moving to the "worst is over" team...

But the worst is ahead...

Also Wondering: if it's not only a financial problem.
When I was born (1925) MY FATHER WAS DRIVING A t FORD
electricity was not yet used on a world wide scale,air
travel did not exist, radio was just beginning etc... etc ..
what I am trying to say is that a zillion of things had yet
to be invented, with the help of the assembly line consumerism
on a grand scale was yet to be born,could it be that we have
reached a plateau in the production of innovation /inventions,
have we reached a saturation point??
(Just a thought)


Some points to consider:

1. It definitely could have been the bottom. What other asset classes are there to invest in where you can expect to earn a reasonable return?

2. Japan survived huge concurrent stock and property bubbles without falling into a severe depression. Sure there were some homeless people in the parks and living along the waterways, but society stayed quite intact.

3. From Shiller's PE/10, stocks were reasonably valued at their March lows.

4. How much of an earnings bubble were we in the last 10 years? Was the earnings bubble unprecedented? This affects #3.

4. From Rogoff's study of financial crisis "The average historical decline in equity prices is
55.9 percent, with the downturn phase of the cycle lasting 3.4 years." The market declined enough, but in a very short time compared to other financial crises. And this time there is a quite severe global recession.

5. During the Great Depression, the stock markets over other countries did not drop nearly as much as in the US. Britains market only went down 40% then.

7. Dividend yields are not high compared to other bear market bottoms. But if Japan is an example, we will be living in a low interest rate world for a long time.

In summary, it could go either way. There's good points on both sides.

Peter Kasriel at Northern Trust is seeing lots of green shoots. Grantham at GMO thought it was time to buy even before the March lows.

Fu:"Some points to consider:

1. It definitely could have been the bottom. What other asset classes are there to invest in where you can expect to earn a reasonable return?

2. Japan survived huge concurrent stock and property bubbles without falling into a severe depression. Sure there were some homeless people in the parks and living along the waterways, but society stayed quite intact."

1) Consider gold, if return OF is more important than return ON.

2) Japan also had a huge private savings to fall back on, had a huge export market and have a hugely homogeneous society - none of which presently exist in the US.

To the commenter who wrote:
"Panzner is moving to the "worst is over" team...
But the worst is ahead..."

Not quite sure where you got that idea, since it is exactly the opposite of what I believe and what I've written about.

Michael:
#1 that comment was either a stupid tease- or- just
plain stupid not even worth a response,serious thinkers
all know where you stand

Maybe this is just a newbie question, but what's SIRP?

I think it should have been "SYRP" -- not "SIRP," as it was originally written -- which is an acronym for "safety and yield at a reasonable price."

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