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June 10, 2009

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John Williams's ShadowStats are even more fake than the governments. He just adds a constant number to the government figures and charges $175/year for it.

Michael, don't you think you might have missed the bottom? You are way too overconfident that you are right.

Actually, I am always quick to note when somebody asks me what I think that anything could happen and I could be wrong. That said, I am on record as having called a trading bottom in the stock market a few days before the low in March. There is also the possibility that some parts of the economy could show some fleeting signs of life given all the money being being thrown at it by our government. Still, for reasons I have detailed in my last two books, I feel reasonably confident that we are far from THE bottom in both the stock market and the economy -- in terms of magnitude and time.

good lawyers will stick to hard core facts and not allow
any side tract issues

I have been saying things like John Williams for decades. Look at the comic book index. 1957, 10 cents, now $2.29. The Hostess Twinkie Index, 1957 10 cents, now $1.39. The Pizza Index, 1957 15 cents, now $2.75. Etc., etc. By how much have prices risen since 1957?

MP:
Here's a link to my 7 January 2008 post. Read, then you decide: http://skepticaltexascpa.blogspot.com/2008/01/oil-and-dollar.html.

Hi Michael,

This is what you published on March 7th:
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In fact, an expanding array of technical and sentiment indicators suggests that a short-term bottom is likely at hand.

Bespoke Investment Group recently noted, for example, that a weekly poll by the American Association of Individual Investors (AAII) showed that investors "are now at their most bearish levels in the history of the survey." For contrarians, that is a bullish sign, indicating that pessimism -- and the selling that goes along with it -- is somewhat overdone, at least in the short run.

My own research on the deviation between stock prices and their longer-term moving averages, which can help gauge the "intensity" of a move, reveals that the differential has reached a level not seen since mid-November, after which the market jumped 19 percent in five days. Prior to that, the last time we saw such a rubber band-like divergence was during the 1930s -- before one of those rebounds I referred to earlier.

What this means, of course, is that when the stock market does have another one of its dead cat bounces, it likely won't be because of anything our president has done.
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So you did say a bounce was coming, right near the March 6th low. But would have anyone reading your article be encouraged to put money in the market? I don't think so, because you characterized it as a short term bottom and dead cat bounce.

Let's look at some history. The average peak to trough for equities in financial crises is -56%. This is a worldwide crisis, but the US is the largest, most mature economy in the world and not heavily export dependent. So the March 6th bottom was perfectly consistent with that -56% average.

During the 29 crash, other stock markets were not hit nearly as bad as the U.S. stock market. I think the London Stock Exchange only hit -40%. Even during the 1929 crash where U.S. stock market was more bubbly than in 2007 and the decline in world industrial output was FOUR times the current drop, if you had put your money into the stock market at -56%, you would have made it back in 4-5 years.

The government has had an epic fail in propping up house prices during this collapse. But equity prices are much more sensitive to government stimulus. Maybe stock prices will keep increasing for years. In that case, people are probably best off just going back to annual rebalancing of a diversified portfolio.

Japan survived a much bigger stock and property bubble and is still a very rich country.

You predicted the crash with great accuracy... the best of anyone that I'm aware of. But now that crisis has arrived, don't you think it's much more difficult to see into the future?

How if CPI-numbers where calculated in retrospect of the constantly(since the 60th´s) diluted food-production. In almost every food-article the original raw-product has been diluted with an synthetic product etc.

Why do you ask yourself?

Of course this is done to preserve profits when underlying prices tend to rise(worldpopulations is also always rising) along with other costs(i.e wage
inflation, rents). So the consumers are constantly been rewarded by higher prices AND poorer product-quality. Still the BLS is not taking this in consideration. That´s really a BIG mistake. AND HEDONIC.

Another way of mistating data is giving no frame of reference. If you state "If Williams is right, unemployment is over 20%, gross domestic product is shrinking by 8% and consumer prices are jumping by nearly 7%. His forecasts border on apocalyptic. The government is creating so much new money, he says, that the all but inevitable result is hyperinflation, where “your highest denomination, the $100 bill, becomes worth more as toilet paper than money.” Buy physical gold, he advises" all without giving prior statistics during downturns, you leave your reader to compare the new "real" data to the alleged prior incorrect, and much lower, government provided data. Meaning you are skewing things for your readers. Let's hear the apples to apples numbers from Mr. Williams of what "true" unemployment was during prior downturns and prior periods of economic growth before determining how bad things are. You are leaving key information out and falling prey to the very tendencies you are commenting on in this article.

I am not an economist either but I can see the same picture. For what it is worth, I wrote an article and posted it on my website making the observations that the unemployment rate jumped .5%. The 345,000 reported figured would have only added .2% to the total unemployment. So where is the rest?
The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that the job losses for the month of May were 787,000. It is obvious that we cannot trust anymore the rosy picture that the government reports. In addition, the 9.4% unemployment reported is just under half of the U6 16.4%.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Our debt is unpayable and the budget deficit unsustainable. It does not take an economist or a rocket scientist to see that. The Fed is just buying time and for that they need to build the people confidence and get them spending and deeper into debt. It appears that the people are not buying it and they are just going to sit and wait to see how all of this is going to unravel.

"Williams says the purchase price of housing is an important factor in determining a constant standard of living, and he doubts the ability of “the government to accurately calculate how much a person would pay to rent his own house.”

Though presumably it is not too hard to find out how much other people would pay to rent a similar property in a similar location.

Really this is the very time for getting job also continue the job. Especially IT employees are suffering very much.

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