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June 11, 2009

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I think perhaps there is actually a housing recovery in some of the areas that got hit first and hardest.

I live in San Diego. We got clobbered early; starting in late 2006 it was clear there was a slowdown. 2007 and 2008 were brutal for the housing market here.

But, starting in early 2009, the market changed. Inventory shrank, we were back to multiple bids on any decently priced property, brokers were wearing smiles again. And now prices are creeping back up. This might get derailed by the rising mortgage interest rates, but I've anecdotally noticed a definite rise in prices, and there is statistical evidence of this also.

Is this the start of anything meaningful, or just a blip, I don't know. The consumer is still drowning in debt, and now so are the various levels of government. Unemployment is still rising. And oil prices and interest rates are rising. Not a pretty picture. But just as the business cycle turns down, it also turns up, and those who stay consistently bearish get often end up getting crushed.

Just my two cents.

Cheers!

Henry

Inventory is shrinking around DC. So inventory is not getting worse (at least over the last few months) in that area. But a sales bottom is very different than a price bottom. It's usually for prices to bottom up to 5 years after sales start increasing. And increasing mortgage rates are only going to help reduce prices.

Another thing to note is that because most households are dependent on dual incomes now, foreclosures go up with the square of unemployment changes: If unemployment doubles, foreclosures will quadruple. That's a simplification, but it's basically true.

Over here in England, things are still exactly the same. Only problem is now, a lot of us can't afford our bills: http://money.sky.com/mp/features/news/2009/06/12/25-expect-housing-costs-struggle.html

I sold my house in mid 2005 and by the time I was moving out, I saw the first obvious signs that the bubble was deflating, and I live in an area that to this day claims it was not affected by the housing bust/bubble. I've seen many articles from various locations claiming their area was not hit. The wording is so similar it sounds as if ALL these articles were written by the same hand, like maybe the NAR? They always seem to be quoted in it, and there's frequently a plug to "buy now" either by the NAR or NAHB. Or both.

Early signs I saw were not in the news, they were online on blogs, or in obscure documents the public doesn't go looking for. I was reading as early as 2003 maybe, that we were in a serious price inflation that if unchecked would burst and damage the economy, because our economy was stupidly depending on housing. Then in 2005 when I sold and moved, I saw that builders' model homes were reduced in price, then when they didn't sell, were for rent. Houses that had been sold only months before were for sale again, often never having been occupied. In the early 2000's I was reading about how mortgage fraud was out of control and being done mostly by the industry, (FBI words, not mine). Certainly I saw that the crazy loans and ridiculous prices were going to cause problems.

I didn't buy again, and still haven't. I don't think prices have stopped falling. Don't want to be tied to real estate when our jobs are unstable due to all the layoffs. And then factor in all the loan fraud and forget it. I just don't want to try and figure out if I'm getting ripped off, I'll just wait until I can afford to buy a house for cash, and/or the prices have come down so far it really doesn't matter if they do keep going down. We're not there yet. On NBC's morning show they keep having their real estate shill say how great a deal these houses are at "under $400,000," etc. What a joke! So few people make 200K a yr or more that that's still not a good deal, and no where near affordable. If the median income is about $50K then a house isn't a "steal" until it's below at least $150K, even below $100K. And when we were making $50K a yr we could not comfortably afford anything over 100K and we're not spendtrifts. The prices are way out of line. The real estate shills should NOT be getting air time on TV, they should be investigated for taking out the economy. And the media and govt should be under investigation too for taking part in it. But I'm dreaming, there will be no investigation, just a fake attempt at one to placate people, but the real perps will get air time on TV to push their "buy now" campaigns.

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