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July 14, 2009

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I don't know U.S. News & World Report well enough to say anything about Mr. Zuckerman being conservative or not, being Dutch, but I understand it to be a serious publication. (A Dutch journalist once described it as "pretty boring".) Assuming the numbers Mr. Zuckerman quotes are correct -and they seem to tally with what I have in mind- I can't really find fault with his opinions. After all, the U.S, economy depends on consumer spending for some two-thirds of U.S. GDP. How one could expect the U.S. economy to make a quick recovery is something I am unable to understand.

"BUT YET" ... the stock market continues to rally. "But yet" is the new equivalent of "irrational exuberance." While bad news piles up on bad news, bulls find some sliver of hope to drive the market north. Often that sliver of hope is hyped so much that it obscures reality. Yesterday, for example, the market made a great move upward because an analyst was on CNBC and was strong on Goldman -- I watched that interview ... she also said that she thought unemployment would go above 13% and, she added, she actually thinks things will be even worse, but she said she doesn't have enough courage to say how bad she thinks things will actually get. "But yet," on the basis of her sliver of hope about Goldman, the market rallied. At a certain point, the fundamentals will crash with the slivers of hopes and dreams that are now driving the market.

I have three part-time jobs. I've stopped looking for full-time employment because it seems useless. I have 300 credits and a post-graduate degree. The job market sucks!!

Why doesn't the BLS count me!?! Why aren't I important enough to be a statistic!?!

It's blatantly obvious what "their" priorities are.

In the past decade, say 1999 - 2009, America invested at least $30 trillion in living a very good time and in things now confirmed to be quite useless. (Remember granite counter top and big flat screen TV?) Much of the money was borrowed, which of course stays a debt with interest compounding. But the asset side is pretty much wiped out. That's what Americans did. Not to mention what the federal government did!

Economic history going back a few centuries clearly shows how such a state of affair behave. It grows and declines as a almost perfect Bell curve. This is fact. Since it took a decade to bubble up it will take a decade to puff down. The peak was hit in the past few months, and likely stay almost peak for the rest of 2009. Therefore, the unwinding will last to 2019. There will be no sign of recovery, however you define that word, for a minimum of 5 years.

Why am I writing this? To deliver a true sense of reality, so that one can do serious and realistic planning for one's future.

Sorry, don't agree with you on "serious infrastructure program" to stimulate the economy.

Why? It would take 10 years to start any "serious infrastructure program". You need to get it past the lawyers and environmentalists and NIMBYs and BANANAs. Not happening.

To get cash into the economy, look at the most distressed portion: Those laid off over 50 years old. Bring them into Social Security and Medicare. The USA has no jobs for them. There won't be any before they retire. Whom are we kidding? One year of unemployment will not get them to 62.

Pretty good. Nothing earth shattering but a good overall "why were more screwed than we think" roundup. Wonder what kind of placement, if any, it got in the print edition. Considering a large chunk of the article was a critique of the U3 and Birth/Death Model, it would have been nice if the author at least mentioned this so as to educate the casual reader. He could have run through U1 to U6 and Birth/Death with about as much ink.

Covered a lot of ground. from article:
>making this the only recession since the Great Depression to wipe out all job growth from the previous expansion.
Not to mention the fact that many of these jobs were crappy low wage ones anyway. For many this recession started back in 2001 and just never ended.

>The paycheck has returned as the primary source of spending.
Could have mentioned that this is a good thing, at least in the long run.

>The time to get ready for a serious infrastructure program is now. It's a shame Washington didn't get it right the first time.
I'm not a big fan of deficit spending as a plan, but if you are going to do it, don't waste it. If we are going to do a 2nd stimulus (let's get real, barring some massive dollar event, they wont be able to resist, one year, two years, they will do it) don't try to make it a short term fix for the current pain. The ship has already sailed on that one. Make it something with long term gains.

And maintaining/patching the infrastructure of the last century will not pay dividends in the long run. Build the one for the next. Upgrade the electrical grid so that next gen power can be delivered from where it is produced to where it is consumed. Build light rail in areas that have reached critical population density. Electrify existing rail to begin moving away from long haul trucking, diesel and coal powered rail. Allocate larger chunks of the wireless spectrum for unliscened use. Rollout broadband in rural areas, and massive broadband speed upgrades in areas that have it. Fiber to the home and wireless will lay the foundation for information access for the next 100 years, get started!! Most of this might not even need to be direct spending and could be done through loan guaranties. Some will fail, some wont. Math probably works out better than straight capital injection and provides a better way to gauge the merits of the project.

>This process is nowhere near complete and, until it is, the economy will barely grow if it does at all, and it may well oscillate between sluggish growth and modest decline for the next several years until the rebalancing of excessive debt has been completed.
I tend to think that a lot of the bears are still too optimistic for my taste. They have a longer timeline for this all "working through the system" than the bulls. I think the bears are likely right but they assume that after that we can at least *start* to move upwards. I tend to disagree. Mostly based on ideas from peak oil, resource depletion, population growth, etc. I think that right around the time we should be coming out of this, we will be hit with and even larger and more fundamental challenge to growth. Scarcity like we have never seen it before. Depending on the timing there *could* be a short period of growth in between.

Printfaster:
>Those laid off over 50 years old. Bring them into Social Security and Medicare.
Seriously, that's your idea. Get more ppl dependent on the Fed gov't for their ability to survive. Expand social programs with no means test?! Medicare should be expanded to all or shut down. SS should be flat out SHUT DOWN. I don't mean shaft everyone, I mean see how much is really left in the funds(it will be a lot less than you think) and start writing checks. Start with the oldest who have paid in the longest(include a net worth/income cap) and work your way down. Someone my age(31) should receive just about... NOTHING. I have no problem with this as long as I know I will never pay another dollar into the SS system. This would at the same time be a HUGE stimulus and MASSIVELY improve the long term prospects of the federal budget. New programs if needed to fill the gap should put it in the budget so they can't lie about it and pretend they are not spending SS money like drunk sailors.

p.s. Michael: why does the comment section not take html tags? It clearly understands them as it removes the tag from being visible in the text, but does not take the action prescribed by the tag. Just curious if this is a switch you could flip?

-vividvew

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