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October 20, 2008

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As someone who decided not to play "American Dream: 2000s edition", I have a slightly different perspective.

1. People don't kill themselves because they are suffering financial difficulties. They kill themselves because they have failed at what they deem to be the most important thing in their lives.

2. Somewhere along the way, the cabal of big government and big corporations has convinced Americans that there is nothing more important than working every waking minute, going in debt beyond all reason and hoping it all works out so that we can pay more taxes and buy more stuff we really don't need.

3. In the process, we destroy our families, abort our next generation, push our friendships aside, put our school aged children on Ritalin, all so that we can work more without interruption.

Hopefully more people will figure out what I figured out a long time ago. It simply isn't worth it. When you relegate finance to its rightful place in your life, that is, behind God, family, friends and the pursuit of happiness, you wouldn't dream of killing the people you hold dear for financial reason.

That is the real problem, you know, the one nobody will talk about.

Financial difficulties are the most severe source of distress.
In the beginning when the numbers are still small suicide
murder, burning houses etc... will occur. When it reaches
the proportions of a National calamity people band together,
that's the stuff of revolutions or civil unrest on a massive scale.
It has nothing to do with a belief in God but everithing to do with
the economic conditions.

Just two weeks ago my vet commented that she was seeing a surprising number of people in her office who mentioned that someone they knew - a neighbor, a family member, a coworker - had commited suicide. We have created a society that is untenable for a variety of reasons. Most people I know are just plain tired, scared, and close to feeling defeated. It's dark times, indeed.

I'm seeling my house in New Jersey; moving to rural South Carolina; muying a used trailer and constrcution equipment (at auction); learning to can; growing my own food; buying a small wind turbine & some solar cells (to suppliment power) and I'm going to READ while I'm Under/Un-Employed over the next several years.

Thank you for all the usefull informantion here. Michael. I've passed along what I have learned to others.

We will just have to re-evaluate what is REALLY IMPORTANT in Life.

Sobering post. Funny how people are so unprepared to scale down their lives to fit their means, there are worse things in life then being broke. I spent 15 years of my young adult life living week to week and hoping I could stretch my grocery money out, all during this lovely credit bubble while people were living high on the hog.

I put myself thru college during this period because I knew I had to be proactive.....I think this all boils down to attitudes and belief systems. I have always been optimistic and believed with enouph hard work and smart decisions I would make it and I still do.

I was just wondering if anyone believes in destiny?
www.GodYesOrNo.com

I think Wanda Dunn's story is the most individually tragic (those that decided to kill their family members upset me in greater, different ways). If her family lived in the house for generations, the house should have been paid off long ago. This implies that she found the need to take out a home equity loan and was unable to pay it back. Imagine having the security of a paid off house, only to lose it a few years later. She had (I'm guessing) the guilt of not only failing herself, but failing multiple generations of her family. It must be extremely difficult to regain perspective in a situation like that.

I remember learning about mortgages, credit, and leverage when I was in junior high. My mother used them to motivate a math lesson in percentages and compound interest (yeah, life's exciting when your mother is a math teacher). The lesson evolved into a discussion of margin and risk, and even touched on topics like the 1929 stock market crash and the growing national debt--which, compared to now, was ridiculously small. I learned how to evaluate the risk/reward of leverage, but also gained an emotional barrier to acquiring debt. I took that lesson for granted until around 2005 when I saw the local housing market hit unsustainable levels. I personally knew many people who could not afford their ARMs if they ever reset. Fortunately, my fear of debt beat out the fear of "getting priced out of the market" that so many people caved to. Now I feel incredible pity for so many people who could have avoided their dire situations if they had simply learned a junior high math lesson.

Rather than blame these people's tragedies on abortion and a lack of following God, why not look at the damage done to this country by the coalition of evangelical Christians and right wing demagogues who have conspired to take over the government and create a conformist society that financially benefits the most wealthy at the expense of everyone else. There's absolutely nothing Godly about it.

"Outsourcing suicide"

Catchy phrase. You should develop this.

Outsourcing suicide or suicide by cop, either way it's nothing new. These days though it seems to be the terminal condition of affluenza. If you wanna see some "extreme evictions" you should check out reports from the Darfur region of Somalia.

Oops, Darfur region of _Sudan_.

I was struck by the mention in this article of people's recollections of life in the 1920's being indistinguishable from life during the 1930's. I was taught in history class in high school that rural America was suffering from an economic depression several years before the market crash of 1929. Indeed, while doing some family history research, a graveyard caretaker pointed out to me that I would not find very many gravestones from the 1920's in that particular cemetery because people could not afford them back then.

Financial system crashes do not just "happen" overnight. Like the farmers in the 1920's, a lot of people were suffering in this decade well before Lehman Brothers et al crashed and burned. I don't know how they managed to do this, but until fairly recently, people were able to pull out all sorts of charts and graphs "proving" that all of our economic indicators were firing on all cylinders. Only Michael Panzner and a few others were saying what was really happening all along.

All these occurrences are sad but basically everyone is responsible for his own life and, whatever decision he takes, it is his choice and he must bear whatever consequences that choice entails.What emerges though is
the failure of human beings to empathize with others
because,essentially,in our exchange system,is not everybody cheating one another to achieve more benefit to the detriment of the other?

Whisky,
Financial system crashes do not just "happen" overnight. Like the farmers in the 1920's, a lot of people were suffering in this decade well before Lehman Brothers et al crashed and burned. I don't know how they managed to do this, but until fairly recently, people were able to pull out all sorts of charts and graphs "proving" that all of our economic indicators were firing on all cylinders.

They didn't have HELOCs and CCs to continue spending when their incomes stagnated/dropped.

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